Comments on: Agile / Lean or Common Sense and Permission To Change? http://www.bieberlabs.com/archives/2007/10/21/agile-lean-or-common-sense-and-permission-to-change/ Looking for the practical in a world full of cruft Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:15:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Ron Bieber http://www.bieberlabs.com/archives/2007/10/21/agile-lean-or-common-sense-and-permission-to-change/#comment-43256 Ron Bieber Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:54:00 +0000 http://www.bieberlabs.com/wordpress/archives/2007/10/21/agile-lean-or-common-sense-and-permission-to-change/#comment-43256 Sherif, Thanks for the comment. I agree with you that "lean" is a bottom up process. However, the trust in the employees to do so must definitely come from the top. Without trust, comes micro management, which I think is the antithesis of lean. Sherif,

Thanks for the comment. I agree with you that “lean” is a bottom up process. However, the trust in the employees to do so must definitely come from the top. Without trust, comes micro management, which I think is the antithesis of lean.

]]> By: Sherif http://www.bieberlabs.com/archives/2007/10/21/agile-lean-or-common-sense-and-permission-to-change/#comment-43255 Sherif Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:41:10 +0000 http://www.bieberlabs.com/wordpress/archives/2007/10/21/agile-lean-or-common-sense-and-permission-to-change/#comment-43255 Great article mate. Couldn't agree with you more, I'm currently going through a phase in the company I'm working in where everything is 'lean'. We have peoples titles who are 'lean' something. This always amazed me until I looked into it a bit deeper. It really is about empowering your employees, trusting them and common sense. It's not rocket science - although many people make it out to be. Which makes you wonder if you approach 'lean' top-down - does it really change anything? It should really come bottom-up. Great article mate. Couldn’t agree with you more, I’m currently going through a phase in the company I’m working in where everything is ‘lean’. We have peoples titles who are ‘lean’ something. This always amazed me until I looked into it a bit deeper. It really is about empowering your employees, trusting them and common sense. It’s not rocket science - although many people make it out to be. Which makes you wonder if you approach ‘lean’ top-down - does it really change anything? It should really come bottom-up.

]]> By: Jason Yip http://www.bieberlabs.com/archives/2007/10/21/agile-lean-or-common-sense-and-permission-to-change/#comment-42769 Jason Yip Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:47:08 +0000 http://www.bieberlabs.com/wordpress/archives/2007/10/21/agile-lean-or-common-sense-and-permission-to-change/#comment-42769 Note that Taiichi Ohno warns about the problems with common sense (ref. Workplace Management) and I think he's known for saying "common sense is wrong" but I can't find the reference. Also Toyota leadership does not work like self-organisation in the way the typical Agile person might think. It's not authoritarian, nor is it empowerment, but I'd describe more like making every leader a teacher. Note that Taiichi Ohno warns about the problems with common sense (ref. Workplace Management) and I think he’s known for saying “common sense is wrong” but I can’t find the reference.

Also Toyota leadership does not work like self-organisation in the way the typical Agile person might think. It’s not authoritarian, nor is it empowerment, but I’d describe more like making every leader a teacher.

]]> By: People and Permission to Change are the foundation of great things http://www.bieberlabs.com/archives/2007/10/21/agile-lean-or-common-sense-and-permission-to-change/#comment-39833 People and Permission to Change are the foundation of great things Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:07:13 +0000 http://www.bieberlabs.com/wordpress/archives/2007/10/21/agile-lean-or-common-sense-and-permission-to-change/#comment-39833 [...] myhts of innovation” by Scott Berkum and Ron Bieber has just posted a great post titled “Agile, Lean, or Common Sense and Permission To Change?”. I have spent a fair amount of time talking with Ron and others about [...] [...] myhts of innovation” by Scott Berkum and Ron Bieber has just posted a great post titled “Agile, Lean, or Common Sense and Permission To Change?”. I have spent a fair amount of time talking with Ron and others about [...]

]]> By: Ron Bieber http://www.bieberlabs.com/archives/2007/10/21/agile-lean-or-common-sense-and-permission-to-change/#comment-39785 Ron Bieber Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:38:46 +0000 http://www.bieberlabs.com/wordpress/archives/2007/10/21/agile-lean-or-common-sense-and-permission-to-change/#comment-39785 I was thinking this as well at a point. Then I started asking - "how do people learn to rule themselves without being given the chance to do so?" I was thinking this as well at a point. Then I started asking - “how do people learn to rule themselves without being given the chance to do so?”

]]> By: Matt Wilson http://www.bieberlabs.com/archives/2007/10/21/agile-lean-or-common-sense-and-permission-to-change/#comment-39783 Matt Wilson Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:27:39 +0000 http://www.bieberlabs.com/wordpress/archives/2007/10/21/agile-lean-or-common-sense-and-permission-to-change/#comment-39783 Excellent post. However, for this kind of self-organizing system to work, I think you need to have people that are ready to rule themselves. There are a lot of people that prefer to sacrifice their liberty in order to gain a sense of security. Excellent post. However, for this kind of self-organizing system to work, I think you need to have people that are ready to rule themselves.

There are a lot of people that prefer to sacrifice their liberty in order to gain a sense of security.

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